X2PPro 006 - Audio Tracks

After a week of hard core Premiere Pro editing… I’m getting into some of the finer things.. cutting images and shots is easy… now its time to get into some audio stuff.

Comments

[Andrew Howe]

Thank you finding that. I had been trying my first project and ran into the "no unlink on multiple objects" issue. I was about half way through do it one at a time when it crashed on me. The autosave was way back and, between that and the man flu I am suffering from, I had a serious sense of humour failure and abandoned it.

Up until that point it was going OK and I did like seeing all 8 cores out to play. CPU seems quite chilled but I have found myself getting memory bound.

Do you use Magic Bullet Suite? I have updated to get the CS5 ones but the only one to show up after a reran the installers has been Denoiser. Unless I am just looking in the wrong place.

[Chris Fenwick]

Andrew... I have not crossed the filter barrier yet... Perhaps this next week. Glad this helped.

[Andrew Howe]

Maybe this well help you then. To get the plug-ins installed I eventually uninstalled them all and reinstalled again from scratch for CS5 & FCP/Motion. Used the new serial numbers I got from the upgrade even if the old component should not have changed.

[Karl Soule]

Here's the secret to choosing how Premiere Pro maps audio tracks to either Stereo tracks or Mono tracks:

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/short-and-suite/mapping-audio-channels-in-premiere-pro/

[Chris Fenwick]

Very cool Karl... thanks for sending this... looks like you guys just made it?? Glad some of these things can be addressed but its too bad I can't do it after the clip is in my timeline... after all.. THATS when i'm going to start dealing with this stuff.

[Janaina Patrocinio]

I do it by selecting each or several clips at same time holding ATL (OPTION) then hit Del.
It works with Audio ou Video, Linked or not.

[Chris Fenwick]

Yes I have been discovering the beauty of the OPTION selection when it comes to clips and selecting only a portion of it.

[brandon herman]

when you cut the clips from a multicam shoot that way, you cut the audio up to, which may be unnecessary depending on what you're doing.

one option is to unlink the clips first, although yes, one clip at a time.

another option is to LOCK the audio tracks. as you cut the video, they will remain unchanged.

this works if you are cutting from cam to cam (video track to video track), but are not actually deleting footage/time. in other words, if you decide there is a scene you want gone completely from all angles, when you ripple delete it, the audio will not be deleted and you will have out of sync clips form there on. That's bad.

For those occasions, undo the lock and cut audio and video together, then re-lock.

an example would be multiple cameras on a music concert:

-trim off the introduction to the first song from everything
-lock your audio
-edit the performance from all your different angles
-unlock the audio and edit out the intro to the next song
-re-lock the audio, and cut your multiple angles again.

the audio for each song will be cleanly laid out on the timeline with no cuts. the reason this might be important is if you wish to apply an effect (eg Noise reduction) to all of the audio for any one song.

[Rodney Recor]

Chris,
Thanks for this bit of info about audio in PPCS5. I think PP CS6 is a terrific tool, but I've been changing my mind as I get into the problems of audio. I was delighted to actually see someone else be "puzzled" by the process. I have talked with many other editors that are likewise confused.

In Karl Soule's tutorial about mapping audio tracks, near the end, he says. ".. pretty straightforward." Well, I certainly disagree with that point of view. I discovered the "modify tracks" feature on my own a couple of weeks ago. But that tool is just a "baby-step" drop in the bucket of learning audio complexity with PP. By watching every video tutorial I could find, and pain-stakingly slogging through the User Guide, I managed to ingest some of the basics of working with audio in PP. Using Help to find info about this was no help at all. It is only one step in my quest to learn how to edit audio the way I need to in PP5.

I produce theatrical features and shorts, currently giving PP5 its first go with the task of making a dramatic short. I have been working to learn how to master Premiere Pro audio using a 5.1 master. If you think stereo/mono issues are confusing in PP, I invite you to open the 5.1 can of worms. Perhaps you already know that the final sound elements needed to make the DCP of a film for projection, is six individual mixed mono tracks. After studying in good earnest for a long time, I am only beginning to get a hint at how to achieve this. The process appears to be anything but "straightforward". Efficiency seems to be out of the question entirely. I hope that I am wrong about it, and welcome correction, but the 5.1 master track does not appear even to follow the DCI industry standard track location assigments.

I concede that I have not yet completely read the User Guide. Maybe it will teach me more. If Karl would make a tutorial entitled "Mastering 5.1 Sound For Cinema", I would be very grateful. Maybe someday, if I ever figure it out, I'll make the tutorial myself. What I want to say by all this rambling is that I am thoroughly frustrated with how Premiere Pro works with audio, particularly 5.1 (7.1 may soon be common), and I would love to see much more guidance made available on the subject.

[Sam Comer]

I know this is old, so you've probably figured it out by now, but for anyone watching just this video who is wondering: The reason why you couldn't drag that audio clip from Audio 7 up to Audio 1 is that Audio Track 7 is a stereo track and Audio Track 1 is mono.

[jadegraham]

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